[2] to be waaay more self-destructive, and yet! he’s just too winsome and radiant during that last talk with arthur. but that baby’s-on-fire sequence? never ceases to amaze me, i keep rewatching it and can’t get enough. so sensual, bestial, carnal, forbidden, dark and deep… arthur’s secret is revealed while brian’s following curt and leaving for good (“like a heifer to the slaughter”): both face an existential journey to an actual self,

[3] and though arthur’s is presumably more successful, brian’s is longingly tragic and thus more… powerful? or at least more interesting and profound for me, i love those who lose even if they do not arise. thank you so much for the nice chat, it matters a good deal to me! (and i’m sorry i’m on anon, i just don’t have a blog)))

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[2] aggressive, not revengeful or anything. however she lies. i never thought it might’ve hurt curt more if he knew brian was there and left… but you may be right. come to think of it, brian leaving at this rawest song coda “i wanna feel” as if he can’t take it anymore (?) and mandy and curt’s tender reunion behind the scenes give us much to reflect on: like they share something which brian lacks? not in romantic, but in some general human way. and brian/curt, well, it’s just amazing how

[3] we know next to nothing about their love but we are made certain of the fact that it affected them deeply, deeply. curt left and brian is out? o-u-t? wtf? it was his all-life DREAM, and now out just like that, as if it means nothing without curt? and then tommy stone? and curt listening and watching IT? man… brian stole the pin, but gave it to curt freely, some definition of love right there. and this fight of theirs is hilarious. i mean hellish. out of context it’s hard to say

[4] if it’s too personal or too business, if the music fucks it up between them or if “them” are fucked up already and that’s why the music follows. i love how brian says “we are actually planning to take over the world” and audience’s laughing but he wasn’t joking at all, he’s harmed like a child there, just like when curt leaves… he’s very vulnerable - so is curt, but in a different way. “he believed he was maxwell, and maxwell thought he was god”… dunno, blurry. sorry for me being tl;dr!

…oh and it fascinates me how we are introduced to ahem Love: there’s an orgy, but somehow the fact of two people going somewhere private bugs mandy and shannon, as if they know what’s going on - something very real and pure, not only sex, not like all of this around. moreover, sex is a small addition to The Thing. it’s funny they feel that that’s where brian was beginning to leave, be o-u-t… for a while at least. until tommy stone ffs.

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[2] and i have always considered these making-out visual similarities to mean, well… to be arthur’s imagination. to some extent. it’s totally shot different to brian and curt found naked in the bed, etc. as if arthur here is yet another fan playing with barbie dolls, although it’s much more complicated for him of course, probably because he had none the less met curt and had had sex with him, just maybe not in that exact curt/brian-y way he’d imagined it to be. i agree the hair turned out

[3] to be a nice accidental touch)). do you think curt remembered arthur? in the end? and why did mandy lie about not seeing brian - man it breaks my heart every time… jealosy, anger, i don’t know but i love her so much why she had to… sorry for rambling, just happy to talk to a VG fan! if you have some thoughts to share on brian/curt i am sooo here to listen, i mean, if you feel like it sometime and all… thank you anywayzz, you’re far out ha!)

Ah you’re welcome! One of the things I love the most about VG is that it’s a film full of layers and you don’t always notice all the details when you watch. I mean, I have been watching and rewatching it for almost ten years now (wow!!) and almost every time I notice something new.

Arthur… as a character, Arthur is very much meant to be mostly a down to earth, ‘normal’ character - a character that the audience could identify with in some ways, a character who mostly leads a normal life, despite his ~rebelious~ period. And since VG is a a LGBT film (in academic film studies usually put under the New Queer Cinema movement), I think it’s granted that a not small part of the audience would be LGBT, and Arthur discovering his sexuality, his attraction for men, being rejected by his father, and the painful aftermath of that can also be a good way to make him relatable for the audience of this film in particular. I don’t particularly identify with him, but I can very clearly see why he would be relatable, and I guess it sort of turns me off of having any interest in a pairing with Arthur.

I have always considered the Curt/Arthur scenes to be real, but… you know what? This is a very real possibility, that it would be partially his imagination, because their scenes together does have a very dreamlike feeling… and there’s also that part where they see the alien starship together, lol. I guess it’s very possible that Arthur has softened the memory somewhat in his head, even if he remember it as a fact.

I tend to think that he remembered Arthur, yes - maybe not with as many details as Arthur would remember, but I always thought Curt somehow remembered him and that was the reason he gave him the pin that Brian had once given to him. And I don’t think I have a proper answer for the Mandy question, because to this day I’m still not sure why she lied, but I tend to think it was an act of kindness. Mandy seen to have formed a friendship of sorts with Curt, and maybe knowing that Brian was there but that he left would be even more hurtful to him  than to think that he never appeared in the first place. Maybe it could been because she still feels anger/ressentment when Brian is concerned, but it’s not really at all the vibe I get from that scene.

Aw I absolutely love Curt/Brian, one of my first/most intense ships, haha, which was not always a good thing because there’s almost no fics or fan content about these two. They are together for a very short period of time on the film, but they have a very interesting dynamic for me - Brian being so fascinated/envious of Curt at first only to actually fall in love so hard with him later on, Curt ending the relationship in a fit of rage but still thinking about Brian over a decade late, to the point of buying a ticket for the Tommy Stone’s show… I love the intensity and the hot mess of it all, ha.

Again, you’re welcome, I’m always happy and ready to babble about VG ~~